alyce_wiltshire

Floor Layout still just not right!

Hello!

We are planning our first home build, with a company that is great at building, not great at design. They are happy to go with any of our suggestions and multiple changes are not a problem.


The house will be built and delivered on a lorry in three sections, as outlined in first floor plan so we cannot extend the external walls or have rooms across these lines. Each module is 4.2m wide and 17.9m in length.


This is the current plan





It has already had quite a lot of work and is not terrible, but the main frustration I have is that there is no window in the kitchen allowing light and giving a view. We have played with the possibility of having the modules laid a little longer to allow more natural light in from the North quite like this in the beautiful Booken Blend house:





We're not sure how to achieve this without adding too much dead space or walking through rooms to get to others. I've had a go at just chopping and changing the now floor plan to kind of show the shape we are leaning towards.



Our favorite thing about the floor plan as it is, is the mudroom through to pantry and kitchen so really do not want to lose that. And definitely want to keep as much of the main living, dining and master bedroom along the North face.



We know it's a lot, we don't know where to begin!


Appreciate any help or ideas.


Comments (27)

  • last year

    From your mock-up, Try flipping the souther module back so hall is on north side, which is lovely to appreciate the view as you walk down the hall and encourages open doors. 9although kids don’t appreciate views in bedrooms IMO.) then slide it back across kitchen a little to allow access to hall. It will eat into bedroom a little but better compromise as you will let kitchen window. From kitchen you will be able to look across dining to view.

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  • last year

    Yes someone from this forum helped with original floor plan that we’re still working on 😊

  • last year

    Yes OKL distinctive "Green" Floorplan. There isn't any record of the previous post so that we can check for other details, like is it on a large block etc, did you post under a different name to which OKL responded, thanks

  • last year

    Yes I couldn’t work out how to log back in so have created a new account.

    We are on acreage, so no size limitations.

  • last year

    Can you do a smaller module? If so I’d do two smaller modules for the bottom side of the plan you’ve shown separated by a deck/courtyard which would push the family area and the master bedroom apart and open up light/views.

  • PRO
    last year

    As you have the space then a linear configuration that allows for maximised cross ventilation and light opportunity is far better and more interesting design than the ubiqutous rectangular proportioned footprint that I'd suggest be emergency use only for a standard subdivision proportion block scenario


    Moving through spaces to access others - is it an issue? It depends / personal preference. Eg accessing kids bedrooms off a rumpus room can make sense and save unecessary passage space. Do you need a separate media room or is this better as a rumpus/mpr space that can change use over time?? You could then avoid having to walk pas the back of the kitchen to access the bedroom wing, and transition through a rumpus space that would buffer this zone and give you more oportunity to space out the kitchen layout


    As good as it is to stretch out the plan, this will increase building perimeter which will change both the cost and thermal performance requirements...


    I'd suggest that something like you're thinking could work but I'd push this idea further as to also\ stagger/split the main part so that the family/living shifts back towards the garage and you then have a clean view across from the dining/living is more centralised / open to the kitchen


    When you have the good furtune and luxury of no boundary limitation then best make the most of this unrestricted opportunity to spread out that not many people have the chance to capitalise on


    best of luck :)


    PD


    www.pauldistefanodesign.com

  • last year

    Flip the bedroom wing to the northern side, connected by a glass walkway. For the majority of Australia, it is best to having living on the north and east and services of west and south. This provides the advantage of using the sun and breezes to aid in heating and cooling. Depending on your location I would think about doing a 90 flip to the right. To have the garage on the west, thus using that space as a heat sin in winter and a buffer in summer through using it as a breeze way.

    Suggestions: post location, where are the best views, what is the building material, is it a farm house, how do you use the house eg work at home, kids, animals, entertainment. There is so much more to a living envelop. It is more than the look. It is about how will spaces be used, how to keep cool and warm, how to maintain, how to clean, how to use the placement of the structure to best work for your family for now and future decades. Best of luck.

  • last year

    This popped up on Instagram and I thought I’d this dilemma. Could you mount the two modules separately to allow for a vaulted section? It’s panelled in this picture but could be skylights. Would add to costs.

  • last year
    last modified: last year

    A very basic suggested floorplan, I assume that your Modules like Container homes can have part or all of their walls left open before being joined to another Module?


    Bedrooms facing East for Morning sun, kitchen family opening both North and South, with garage to the West to stop Strong sun hitting the wall of the pantry mudroom laundry.

  • last year

    Yes wall can be open on split line. They get boarded up for transport

  • last year

    to allow for windows in the kitchens and more north facing windows for the bedroom wing needs a link similar to your Booken house with some other options including direct access from kitchen to rear courtyard but ideal choices depend on local climate, views and whole building site eg where would you locate driveway and any additional sheds, waster water systems, clotheslines, water tanks, alfresco etc


  • last year

    Alyce do you remember what name you posted when you posted the first time so we can look back over any plans suggestions previously made? Can you show where the driveway access etc is coming from on the property.

  • last year

    Your Modules are very long so I have used them to include the garage, I have also flipped the floorplan showing the Garage at both West and East FYI



  • last year

    Hi Siriuskey. With modular homes Garages are typically built on site with concrete floor and modules on stumps or screws with under house crawl space to fix modules and plumbing connections and for ventilation. Avoid joinery crossing split lines as it is pre installed in factory before transport. It can be done as they fit it all and take out the section along split line before transport. Idea is to minimise trades needed on site so don’t really want stone mason etc to have to go to site to rejoin benchtops.

  • last year

    The building process/decisions are made by the Professionals involved, my floorplans are only suggestions, leaving the designer/builder to finalize what works best for the site and client.

    Being given very limited details makes it difficult to understand and work with, an on site inspection is always needed

    Alyce mentioned using 3 x 17900 x 4200 Modules which I think can be reduced, Modules come in different sizes. My adding a garage/carport under the roof of two Modules was something that I considered instead of an add on. This was then left to the supplier/builder as to possibility and cost.


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  • last year

    And this with a reduced floorplan which could have a carport or stand alone garage.



  • last year

    skylights?

  • PRO
    last year

    Have you tried staggering the modules to reduced corridor lengths?  My attempt as per your wishlist gains a lot of internal back whilst swapping around compromises. Blue sketch elevates the design could be worth considering ,more study+ laundry area, more welcoming entry foyer. North proposed reduce hot western sun on western wall, avoid/ minimize windows here. All the best! J

  • last year

    Ok, thank you everyone for your input, it's given me quite a few thoughts and ideas.


    This is what I've come up with. I really like the idea of the kitchen in the North East corner of the house, to see sunrise views of a morning. And I've taken out the office to just keep to a study nook as I want to know what's going on with use of laptops in the home by teenagers and study in a shared space.


    In regards to landscaping, we plan to have deciduous trees along the western side of the house to help with heat in the hard summer months, but alow sunset views the rest of the year.


    I like this plan, it works out to be a very long house (not an issue), just not sure about the amount of floor space for halls, but I'm not sure I can do it any other way. I do like having the entrance to Living Room (used primarily by kids for tv and play) to the side so that the whole room can't be seen into by the rest of the house if we are having company, etc.


    Would really appreciate some thoughts to this update.


  • PRO
    last year

    Without fully understanding your family dynamics, typically it's better to have Master Bedroom zoned separately from other/kids bedrooms - I think this is problemmatic planned at the end & accessed only by walking past all other bedrooms


    It would be almost better to split that module in half and move the master over to the other side of the house, maybe having an entry between it and the garage


    Also suggest the kitchen config rethought so there isn't a bench hard onto the deck side - this is an old style/dated planning and elevation/glass/windows onto deck won't be as clean (in look/like your inspo image) as it could/should be


    I'd also rethink the doglegged passage and necessity of the passage length (it could be half or 1/3 as long as it here) as some of the access could be achieved say through a rumpus to get to bedrooms - as per the many other options presented the passage space could be more consolidated and more effectively used as more space into the other rooms


    Considering your investment in a new build of this scale I would recommend you take this to a professional who can help resolve this properly for you - it will be worth it..... there are aspects of this that the rooms are unecessarily squeezed down in proportion and furniture layout not ideal due to this that will be/feel tighter that it need be and at odds with your open/rural context


    Sorry if it's a bit critical, but these are the elements that really shouldn't be niggles on a new build layout with such a great site opportunity without limits on boundaries etc

  • last year
    last modified: last year

    Thanks for your response Paul.

    I'll address those concerns you raised to give a better understanding of what we're wanting.

    Our family is of 5, myself and hubby, our teenage daughter and two toddlers. We live and farm on the property that we will build on. We are out of town, so large pantry with a lot of storage is a necessity. We do a lot of entertaining and also have family stay from out of town so like having a good amount of space and easy access for those visiting to make themselves at home.

    In regards to Master Bedroom, we prefer to be close to children as we have a child with health concerns that we have to be up for multiple times a night, it works best for us to have quick access. We also like having all bedrooms in the same zone of the house so that the private areas of the house are a bit separate to the rest.

    With the Kitchen bench along the North, we're happy with this design to have windows opening up to the deck, makes for easy outside serving and cleaning up. Not so concerned with it looking outdated if it serves us well. We also prefer to have the more bench space and storage underneath as we need it.

    In regards to the dogleg, yes that bothers me as well. We don't want to have to pass through the second lounge to access other rooms as we want to keep the potential for it being a guest bedroom for visiting family when necessary. As mentioned before, we also quite like the idea of the hall that helps differentiate the 'public' area of the house to the private bedrooms but I agree the amount of hall we have is not an efficient use of space. Not sure what to do about that.

    I agree, we need some professional help, not sure where to start with that.

  • last year

    Does your modular company work with an architect? Some do. In relation to dog-leg, chamfer the corner that leads into the bedroom hall at bathroom putting a 45deg chamfer on that corner will ease the turn Or if you have the space move that module to run the hall straight through the wc ,-

  • last year

    Kate did you just comment on Retro Green for Exterior, same name different photo, is this a duplicate,?


  • PRO
    last year

    I'd totally agree with Kate that there's minimal benefit with the stagger with this zoning - far better and more impressive formally as one long linear design and consolidate the hallway by lining up the bedroom modules back with the main house and reconfigure the toilet/bathroom layout. Possibly the smaller corridor of the dogleg could be kept to access bathroom or laundry and you could put the hallway space back into the main living room which would be heaps better balance and use of space available for the main room

  • last year

    another variation to consider...


  • last year

    Could also pinch a little space from that study area to put extra toilet in bathroom.